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    Silbury hill 2009 reports

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    PeteG

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    Silbury hill 2009 reports

    Post  PeteG on Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:39 pm

    lets kick this off with the first official reports to come out of English Heritage on
    the Silbury hill conservation project 2007-8.
    Silbury Hill reports 2009

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    Post  Viclin on Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:46 am

    Thanks PeteG for the link.

    I look forward to reading it in depth.

    On first quick perusal it looks quite a decent report for the lay enthusiast.

    Do you have any thoughts on the 'project' yourself that you would like to share?

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    Post  PeteG on Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:58 pm

    well I was there from the first day that Silbury collapsed and documented every event for the next 8 years.
    There is a lot that hasn't been written about.
    The conservation project could have gone better, they could have removed all the old Atkinson material from the tunnels with more time and money.
    But it could have been a hell of a lot worst!

    I was allowed inside to document all of the tunnels once the minors and archaeo's had finished.
    I didn't want to go in while they were working as things were unsafe and I didn't want to get in the way.
    I got some amazing material on some of the visits when I was allowed inside alone.



    I was given the time to experiment with a new panoramic technique
    http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Hdr/Silbury/Silbury.htm
    (Some browsers may wrongly report pop ups or malicious code - just allow the browser to view it to see the full effect.)

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    Post  Guest on Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:12 am

    Nice one Pete cheers for the info!
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    Post  cropredy on Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:54 pm

    PeteG,
    Most impressed with the youtube link.
    As someone who has ventured into the hill could You re-call any temperature variations?, were any records kept of inside/outside temperatures?
    I noticed they state that there were more than one origonal mound, did they plot and triangulate the centre points of those mounds?
    Did any water become evident as they dug down into the origonal surface?
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    Post  PeteG on Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:04 pm

    you will have to ask Jim Leary for that sort of info Kevin.
    I'm just a photographer.
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    Post  cropredy on Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:38 am

    PeteG,
    Who is Jim Leary?
    I was asking thee t'old flower, as I presume You had access into the hill.
    Did a vent ever exist to the top of the hill, or was it compacted down solid when it collapsed in?
    The temperature variations I hoped would be noticable to your own senses.
    As for water, well You know it's location better than most, so I wondered if they encountered any water bubbling up from the ground?
    It did rain rather heavily at the start of the works.
    Given it's position, and that the various ditchs were sunk down into the origonal surface area, it must be obvious that the ditchs would fill with water, I wondered though if it was surface water or spring water, again seeing how close a spring is.
    kevin

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    Post  Rockrich on Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:45 am

    PeteG wrote:well I was there from the first day that Silbury collapsed and documented every event for the next 8 years.
    There is a lot that hasn't been written about.
    The conservation project could have gone better, they could have removed all the old Atkinson material from the tunnels with more time and money.
    But it could have been a hell of a lot worst!

    I was allowed inside to document all of the tunnels once the minors and archaeo's had finished.
    I didn't want to go in while they were working as things were unsafe and I didn't want to get in the way.
    I got some amazing material on some of the visits when I was allowed inside alone.



    I was given the time to experiment with a new panoramic technique
    http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Hdr/Silbury/Silbury.htm
    (Some browsers may wrongly report pop ups or malicious code - just allow the browser to view it to see the full effect.)

    I was going to write a book but discovered I can't write copy very well and that collaborators can't be trusted...
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    Hello Pete,

    The HDR panoramics look wonderful - having the ability to control your view certainly gives a different perspective to video.

    Are the panoramas created from individually stitched stills? If so, it might be worth running them through Microsoft’s Photosynth http://photosynth.net/default.aspx . The panoramic capabilities are a bit..no very sketchy compared to your panoramas, but the ability to zoom in without loss of resolution would be it’s main selling point.

    I might try and see if I can hold of the photogrammetric stereo pairs EH took of the tunnel.

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    Post  PeteG on Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:08 am

    Hi Rich,
    I've seen some of the stero pairs EH took and they are very good.
    I tried Photosynth but I found it cumbersome.
    The HDR pano's can be a nightmare to stitch but it's well worth the result.
    Luckily I had time to practice and perfect the technique before going inside Silbury.
    I knew I was only going to get a few chances so had to get it right.
    I had to go in four times as people were working in side tunnels and with the digger chugging around there was a lot of smoke at times.
    I have a series of pano's of the tunnel when it was cleaned out for the press but they don't look as good as the work in progess ones.

    Do let me know if you can get anymore stereo pairs?
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    Post  Rockrich on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:26 am

    Must admit Pete, I didn’t think much to Photosynth at first, it seemed an interesting idea, but a little gimmicky. A few months ago, EH asked me to review the prog and assess its possible application in heritage, so for the past couple of months I’ve been testing. I’ve gone from being rather sceptical to quite impressed, once you’re familiar with the navigation it improves the prog dramatically and you become more forgiving of image transition (or just used to it).

    I’ll let you know how I get on with Silbury – if at all.

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    Post  PeteG on Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:03 am

    can the program take panos or is it just still?

    I looked at Google Earths images but like Microsoft they expect you to give the images away for free.

    I need to find a way to make some money out of all my images...
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    Post  mikki on Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:28 am

    PeteG wrote:I need to find a way to make some money out of all my images...
    Pete

    Pete - Why not turn some of your images into painting's?

    It's amazing how much you can charge for them, even if you are shit at art!!
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    Post  PeteG on Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:57 pm

    I can't paint at all.
    One of my photos was copied by Jane and she sold it for £500!

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    Post  mikki on Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:21 pm

    PeteG wrote:I can't paint at all.

    Neither can I, but i can do better than some 'artists' that advertise their work.

    PeteG wrote:One of my photos was copied by Jane and she sold it for £500!Pete

    What can I say? That is disgusting.
    Did she ask you if it could be copied?

    Who was the Idiot that paid £500 for it? My 8 year old (who's as blind as a bat or should that be, has got a visual defect?) would have done it for quater of the price,and it would have been painted better!

    Were you offered anything from the profit?

    So, give it a go Pete.

    You've nothing to lose and I'm sure you could sell em for twice the price!!

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    Post  PeteG on Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:38 pm

    http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/30/silbury_hill.html#images

    under Artistic 4th pic from left.
    It was 'inspired by PeteG'
    I wasn't asked before it was done and didn't even get a print of it yet it is a direct copy of one of my photos.
    If I photographed one of her paintings and sold it it would be breach of copyright.
    Pah!

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    Post  mikki on Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:21 pm

    PeteG wrote:http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/30/silbury_hill.html#images
    If I photographed one of her paintings and sold it it would be breach of copyright.
    Pah!PeteG

    You just copy and paste, then stick it on photoshop(that arty farty needs somebody with a creative imagination).

    Change a few colours and save to file - 'hey presto' your own interpretation of some art!!

    Stick em on a website and sell em to line your own pocket.

    Thanks for the link above Pete.
    The photo's on your site, don't show up on my computer.
    I don't know what I am doing wrong.

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    Post  PeteG on Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:06 pm

    Mikki,
    try any browser other than IE
    Firefox is ok if you allow pop ups when loading the page,
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    Post  mikki on Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:31 pm

    PeteG wrote:Mikki,
    try any browser other than IE
    Firefox is ok if you allow pop ups when loading the page,
    Pete

    Cheers Pete,

    I have IE on lap-top, so, that explains that!

    I will have to wait until tomorrow to even consider using the other computer. T'other arf is on it and i am not gonna kick him off it(not yet anyway).
    Bless him. We went walking the on moor's today, to go take pictures of the Hitching Stone. Neither of us drive (do our bit for the environment too). It was quite a trek in the snow!!
    Stood in a few bogs, Got wet, cold, and the most important bit,some good photos.
    So he is 'chilling out' on the pc.

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    Post  PeteG on Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:56 pm

    ah well I'll keep him busy,
    I've sent him a stack of photos I took of sites oop norf when I flew to thornborough in 2004 (yes I drive & fly so that makes up for you not driving Wink
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    Big Jane and artistic integrity?

    Post  Guest on Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:08 am

    Well Pete,
    I should be suprised by the lack of integrity (artistic or otherwise) from Jane but alas I am not!
    One would expect that anyone with a modicum of manners would request permission to use a image for a painting!
    This is indicative of individual who spouts all the correct political diatribe but without the basis of basic honesty.
    What is more suprising to me is that anyone would pay for a painting by Jane.

    However in her defence..............just imagine how much money she must spend on food bills, thereby making extra dosh (by hook or by crook) necessary.

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    Post  mikki on Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:57 am

    muddymick wrote:
    However in her defence..............just imagine how much money she must spend on food bills, thereby making extra dosh (by hook or by crook) necessary.
    MM

    Hey Muddy - I don't think she needs any defence from anybody for her sins! Just look at this:


    (Obviously, Photo credit goes to Jane herself only because nobody else could fit in it)

    She had already confessed them, when placing item's in the bags.

    That was just her packed Lunch.

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    wot a beast!

    Post  Guest on Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:05 am

    Mikki,
    I nearly wet myself laughing, that was hilarious affraid
    What a picture that is!
    Interesting how those right on types shop for local produce at local shops, they wouldn't shop at big supermarkets contributing to airmiles and the resultant impact on the enviroment, would they?
    they wouldn't drive there, would they?
    Just goes to show all their posturing ammounts to hot air!
    They have no integrity as people or so called artists!
    As they say in the north "a waste a bloody space"

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    Post  mikki on Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:01 pm

    muddymick wrote:Mikki,
    I nearly wet myself laughing, that was hilarious affraid
    What a picture that is!
    Interesting how those right on types shop for local produce at local shops, they wouldn't shop at big supermarkets contributing to airmiles and the resultant impact on the enviroment, would they?
    they wouldn't drive there, would they?
    Just goes to show all their posturing ammounts to hot air!
    They have no integrity as people or so called artists!
    As they say in the north "a waste a bloody space"

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